Thanks Hugh, It has only been within the last two weeks that I cleared some of the canopy to let in a little more light. It usally get pretty hot and dry around here as we get towards the end of summer and work towards the fall, so I was thinking that alittle more shade than what was called for may help to keep some moister in the soil for them. I am still learning about the growing conditions and this was a experiment (so to say) about the shade. I do think that keeping the shade closer to 90% is what has kept the plants smaller than I think they should be. They are only around 6 to 8 inches tall and the three leafers I have are around 4 to 6 inches tall. I didnt expect any berries till next year on the two prongs but was supprised by them. I figured this due to increading the shade. As far as location, I am in the eatern panhandle of WV and only have a few plants at this time that are starting to get that yellow look. My goldenseal looks rough to say the least, did get some berries off them but it was less than 10 total from about 50 plants. I will post some pics of two prongs and the three leafers within the next few days if I get a chance. Any advice from anyone who has more experiance at this than I do ( this will be my second year growing, so not much experiance!) is greatly welcomed. Just reading and looking at the pics that everyone puts on here has been a great help in learning. Thanks to all.