Thanks again for the info.,i have been curious for a while now about the difference.Jean i will try to post some pictures as soon as i find out how to do it.I have been finding some very large and old roots here in the hills and valleys,i dug probably my biggest ever yesterday.Coondawg i am also a hog,bear hunter so i love the mtns.I have noticed also there is a lot of pressure on public places,not hardly anything left in the easy spots,that means a lot of walking for those willing,thanks again.