Well. after 15 or more years of planting wild seeds in good spots and fencing in some of the areas I got robbed. Everything wiped out pretty much, little roots laying on the ground drying out, looks like a grave robber. Guy is caught, was on parole and walked in front of a trail camera. I won't go into specifics, you probably won't hear much from me for awhile, but I wanted to say, after the berries are off, cut the damn plant off so no one can pick it. This year I can see the plants 50 yards away, but a good picker can also. Leaves on trees yet so the crime scene is evident. Lost some plants that I would estimate in the 20 t0 35 year old or more range. See you later.