TOPIC: For those of you who haven't heard...

...a suspected ginseng poacher was killed a couple weeks ago. It is suspected by the owner/ginseng grower of the property he was poaching. I\"ve not mentioned it prior, but thought some of you would find this interesting. More importantly, it points out that as much trouble and money as we put into our grow operations, we cannot protect it with deadly force in this state.

http://www.wdtn.com/dpp/news/local/preble/man-arrested-in-case-of-missing-man

http://www.pal-item.com/article/20120604/NEWS01/120604018/Preble-County-sheriff-Ginseng-appears-cause-shooting

http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/dayton-news/preble-county-man-faces-murder-charge-1386890.html

http://www.onntv.com/content/stories/2012/06/03/story-whio-missing-man.html

Castle, I hate to hear about a death but it sounds like Grubbs was pretty much a bad apple.

I'm sure it wasn't the first time he had been stealing from Mr. Kutter.

It does sound like Grubbs was a bad apple, and his Mother was assisting him with stealing ginseng from others property.

Dropped him off on a dead end road...

Glad those are not my neighbors.

TNhunter

Based on the little I know about the situation, I agree with both of your assessments.

We just have to remember that this is just a plant, it is property...we cannot use deadly force to protect it. I\"ve not heard anything about the suspect's side of the story, so we will just have to wait and see if he suggests he was defending himself in some manner.

This is gonna sound bad but..... You would think the man would have been more evasive in hiding the body or have come forth first and claimed self defense rather than just rolling him up in a tarp hoping no one would find him.

I hope I'm never placed in the position to find out what I would do in that case.

Hillhopper

You'd think that if the guy took all the trouble of finding the poacher, then he could have held him at gunpoint until the sherrif arrived. Murder is murder, unless it's really self defense.

'course, if he was holding him at gunpoint, and the guy turned on him and made him shoot? then it would be self-defense... however burying him isn't/wasen't the thing to do, eh?

It doesen't look too good for anyone there. Glad it's not me, or any of you guys on this forum!

Whitjr wrote:

You'd think that if the guy took all the trouble of finding the poacher, then he could have held him at gunpoint until the sherrif arrived. Murder is murder, unless it's really self defense.

'course, if he was holding him at gunpoint, and the guy turned on him and made him shoot? then it would be self-defense... however burying him isn't/wasen't the thing to do, eh?

It doesen't look too good for anyone there. Glad it's not me, or any of you guys on this forum!

I absolutely concur.

BCastle wrote:

...a suspected ginseng poacher was killed a couple weeks ago. It is suspected by the owner/ginseng grower of the property he was poaching. I\"ve not mentioned it prior, but thought some of you would find this interesting. More importantly, it points out that as much trouble and money as we put into our grow operations, we cannot protect it with deadly force in this state.

http://www.wdtn.com/dpp/news/local/preble/man-arrested-in-case-of-missing-man

http://www.pal-item.com/article/20120604/NEWS01/120604018/Preble-County-sheriff-Ginseng-appears-cause-shooting

http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/dayton-news/preble-county-man-faces-murder-charge-1386890.html

http://www.onntv.com/content/stories/2012/06/03/story-whio-missing-man.html

bcastle,
i read all of the links and i have to admit it is sad on all accounts, i didn't read anything about a criminal that was trespassing on a landowners pvt property and stealing ginseng.
and in the act of robbing a 78yr old man ectt...ect...you get the picture.
The land owner was protecting what was his
they didn't mention that the \"hunter\" was trespassing
they didn't mention that ginseng has a hunting season
they didn't mention much about poaching at all.
they did mention that law officials have been called to his property before for poaching.

i do agree that alot of lives have been disrupted by this,
sometimes even the criminals become the victims, he rolled the dice, didn't work out too well. Nobody has respect for anyones property anymore, chances are if the cops or game wardens had been doing their jobs instead of shoving their pie-holes full of doughnuts or updating their facebook status, this could of been avoided.

Without going through the links again, I don't remember if they said anything about poaching ginseng or not. I know I heard that from some folks on the ground down there though. ....being a cop and all...

Seriously, I completely agree with you. He knew what he was doing, and like many criminals didn't take the potential consequences seriously. I do know some folks who knew him, and they were absolutely certain that's what he was doing.

Catching someone like that isn't as easy as it sounds. I have had people I've been looking for and I knew they were in the area. We still couldn't locate them because everyone was lying about where they were and then called and told them we were looking for them. Now, imagine being in the woods and hiding. Anyone who has ever killed a turkey knows its not too hard to remain unseen. I'm guessing it was a fluke that they encountered one another. We'll have to wait and see what the story is from there.