Whit... I hear what you are saying...
But it all boils down to this... they could outright say NO (and they have every right to) and then you'd have no place to hunt
A lot of folks now days (around here anyway) are going to outright say NO. Probably mostly because of bad experiences with hunters of other types..
I have asked a lot and been told NO a lot. That's not much fun - very disappointing...
You could always start out just asking permission, and if they say sure go ahead - Great... but if they say No... then start negotiating a split on the find.
Myself... I wish I had 10 landowners willing to split 50/50 this fall instead of just 2.
I love hunting new places and will take those anyday.
TNhunter