Vt, that pic was from a couple years ago. I think I showed you the pics before. I did have a few in that spot that were in the 10-15 yo range, so I'm leaving them for a few more years to see what happends to them. I seeded the area too.
Funny, it's on a west facing ledge, way at the top of the mountain. They are growing up out of some rock rubble, but there is some of that real soft black loam you can dig by hand. The plants were phenominal too............!
I might get lucky today. I'm going to a spot similar, where I found some beauties a couple days ago, not like those, but real good.