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New planting suggestion 12 years 2 months ago #19237

I hope to learn a bit from the experience of some on this site. I have been working on some areas to plant this fall. This is a new area as well as my first large planning and I wanted to get your inside. I have taken soil samples and I will try to attach these. My biggest fear is the face that this area faces NW but does have many areas that has some moisture but all drains well. The soil conditions are mostly loam clay mixture with 5 to 30 degree slopes. I do have a few drainages that are steeper. The area is all heavily wooded with popular (70%)16”-40” average of 2ft and maple (20%) in the same range. This remainder of the trees are cherry, oaks a few are 50” + and some small walnut.
There are a few areas that do have some grasses growing currently but during the spring was covered in mayapple. I am talking acres of mayapple. As the mayapple is now gone there is quite a bit of ferns as well as maidenhair ferns and areas with goldenseal growing. I do have a few scattered green briars and some multiflora rose. The areas with the most vegetation are where the slopes level out and create benches and I have samples from these as well. The site look to have great shade cover and of corse enough for these plants to do well. Most of the woodland here the remaining 20ac of the 30ac here or so acres is nearly barren of ground cover as sunlight does not seem to even hit the forest floor.
As I walk through the areas with no ground cover the leaf matter on the ground is very little possible do to flash floods of the spring that washed water down the hills. Still many areas have good leaf litter but I and thinking the wind has driven it down and away do to the forest floor being so open with the big trees. This property is on the hill about 1000 feet elevation down from the top 200feet elevation and a hundred of so above the river.
My questions would this be a good area to plant and where would you begin to start?
I may decide to do some woods cultivated in the future if finances work out for equipment. Would this be wise?
Should I stay away from the areas with little leaf matter even though the soil is showing a good calcium number?
Would it be wise to try and cut some large timber on some spots to open up the canopy?
What other recommendations do you suggest?
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Re:New planting suggestion 12 years 2 months ago #19239

Sample 1 Bottom of the slopes still 5degree to 10 degree slope.

Nutrients Values Rating
Soil pH 6.1 i.n.. 1.9 MEDIUM I HIGH I VHIGH I
P20S(lbs/A) 48 MEDIUM
K20(lbs/ A) 92 MEDIUM
Ca(lbs/A) 4896 VERYHIGH
Mg(lbs/A) 95 LOW[/b]

Nutrients K Ca Mg H Total[CEC], BS(K+Ca+Mg)
MEQ/100 0 12 0 4 17
%Sat 1 74 3 23 79


No ground cover areas

Nutrients Values Rating
Soil pH 5.4 l.R.: 2.4
P205(Lbs/A) 5 lOW
K20(Lbs/A) 153 HIGH
Ca(Lbs/A) 2238 MEDIUM
Mg(lbs/A) 197 MEDIUM
MEDIUM I HIGH I V HIGH I
Nutrients K Ca Mg H Total[CEC), BS(K+Ca+Mg)
MEQj100 0 6 1 5 11
%Sat 2 50 8 43 59


Sample 2 Goldenseal patches


Nutrients Values Rating
Soil pH 5.8 LR.: 1.9
P205(lbs/A) 20 lOW
K20(lbs/A) 158 HIGH
Ca(lbs/A) 5261 VERYHIGH
Mg(lbs/A) 383 HIGH

Previous Crop
Soil Name
Soil Texture loam
Tillage Method No-Till
MEDIUM I HIGH I VHIGH I

Nutrients K Ca Mg H Total[CEq, BS(K+Ca+Mg)
MEQj100 0 13 2 4 19
%Sat 2 71 9 21 81

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Re:New planting suggestion 12 years 2 months ago #19242

I'd suggest planting several test plots with a se t amount of 50 to 100 seeds. Mark the areas well so you can find them in the spring. Those little 3 leaders can be hard to spot in the spring vegetation, and a well marked area will make this much easier.
You can't tell how good a planting site will be from soil analysis alone. I've planted test plots less than 100 feet apart and have great results in one and horrible results in the other.
I put in several test plots last fall and had real good germination in most of them, but not all. Some of the area that I thought would do best had the worst germination. Of the half a dozen areas that had excellent germination, only two of them have better than 50% of the plants still standing. The drought conditions caused a lot of them to go down in early July. This does not mean that they won't be back next spring, but it may take longer to get a marketable size root in areas such as these.This year I have been concentrating my planting efforts in the locations where I had excellent germination and they have survived through fall. I've also put in a few more test plots.
Hope this is helpful.

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Re:New planting suggestion 12 years 2 months ago #19373

Your soil tests show pretty good values.

Welcome to this forum!

There is a vast knowledgebase here on this forum. Please read back postings as to some your concerns, and ask Q's about what you are fuzzy about. There's folks here that are \"seasoned\" growers that will be happy to assist you.

it's a unusual plant that we are attempting to be successful with.

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Re:New planting suggestion 12 years 2 months ago #19411

WVwhitewolf..

Welcome to the forum !

What state are you from ? northern half, middle or southern ?

Reason I ask is that way down here where I live (southern middle TN) once a hillside turns back to the west a little - the seng just will not grow.
North facing, North East Facing, and in cases of very steep hillsides or around the bottom of bluffs - direct east facing are OK... but as soon as it starts turning back to the west a bit - no go.

I think this far south the evening sun is just too much for seng.

But now I know several folks that post here from more northern locations that report finding & growing seng on southern and western facing slopes.

My guess would be that you are from a more northern state and that the WV in your callname may be for West Virginia. If that is true WV is quite a bit north of my location, and you may be in or near the mountains - which could make a difference in whether seng will grow on a NW slope.

Your mix of trees, slope, soil condition and the companion plants you mentioned (especially the MHF)... sure sounds like an ideal location.

But you did not mention finding any wild seng growing in there now - which is definately a negative, or a caution at least.

Below is your list of questions and my response to them..

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My questions would this be a good area to plant and where would you begin to start?

It sounds promising, but I would start slow, plant some test plots and see how they do for a couple years at least before going all out.
Buy yourself a pound or half pound of seed, and plant small plots (say 4' x 8') and space them out well covering the property in various areas.
I would definately plant in the areas where you find MHF.


I may decide to do some woods cultivated in the future if finances work out for equipment. Would this be wise?

Myself I would stick to wild simulated and not put out the extra expense and risk of buying equipment and going the woods cultivated route. But hey that is just me. I am definately a nut about the true wild, and when growing it I want it to be as close to that as possible. I definately would not consider any large expense until I had seen several small test plots do really well for 2-3 years. If by the 3rd year you have lots of nice healty 3 prongs (for example) you might consider getting a lot more serious about the project.

Should I stay away from the areas with little leaf matter even though the soil is showing a good calcium number?

Again - you may just have to try a few test plots in the questionable areas and see how they do. You can mulch with straw, or could bring in some leaf mulch from other areas. I would use leaves if possible over wheat straw to reduce weeds, and wheet sprouting from the seed remaining in the straw itself.

Would it be wise to try and cut some large timber on some spots to open up the canopy?

In areas where you have really deep shade, this may help. If you remove trees due east of where you are wanting to plant, that will let morning sun into your seng plantings, which is ideal.

What other recommendations do you suggest?

Don't get in a big hurry, or put out a lot of expense, until you see it work well in some small test plot areas.

If you have not already.. buy the book below and study it well. It is loaded with good information on growing ginseng.

www.amazon.com/Growing-Marketing-Goldens...cott+persons+ginseng

Best of luck !

TNhunter

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Re:New planting suggestion 12 years 2 months ago #19434

Hello,
Thanks everyone for the response. I am in the general area of Morgantown WV which is about 20 miles below PA. Elevation is river valley 1000ft. My property in the mountains have very low calcium levels in the hundreds as it is all cherry and red oaks so i chose to plant the lower elevation land.
My guess to why there is no existing ginseng is that my property once was clear cut and fields back in 1900-1920s.
I have been reading the book through again. It seems to be a great resource.

Thanks

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